Joseph Gordon - Revision history

Hfrancis: /* Second Marriage */

2020-02-29T11:25:54Z

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	There is one big problem with all this though - on the birth registration for Samuel Gordon, in 1855, the father is Joseph Gordon (match) but the mother is given as Mary Gordon (neé Healey) which is 5 years before they got married! The ages of the Joseph and Mary in the marriage certificate do match those of the Joseph and Mary in the [[Gordon Census#1861\|1861]] census though.		There is one big problem with all this though - on the birth registration for Samuel Gordon, in 1855, the father is Joseph Gordon (match) but the mother is given as Mary Gordon (neé Healey) which is 5 years before they got married! The ages of the Joseph and Mary in the marriage certificate do match those of the Joseph and Mary in the [[Gordon Census#1861\|1861]] census though.

	Also the addresses on the 1860 marriage certificate are for Union Street in Shoreditch. But we know they were at 11 Plough Alley in 1855, and again in 1861, and we know that Joseph Gordon was a labourer (1861), not a mariner (1860).		Also the addresses on the 1860 marriage certificate are for Union Street in Shoreditch. But we know they were at 11 Plough Alley in 1855, and again in 1861, and we know that Joseph Gordon was a labourer (1861), not a mariner (1860). Why does the certificate say Union St?
			* did they lie about their address in order to marry in this particular church?
			* had they relocated to Union Street temporarily? Plough Alley was known to flood.
			* Were they in fact not in Union Street in Shoreditch, or another Union Street? Or perhaps they were referring to Union Stairs as an area (not a road).

	Checking who was in Union Street in 1861 (a few months after the wedding), there are no signs of any Gordons or Healeys. The houses there appear to be split into 2 or 3 dwellings per address, typically with just a husband and a wife.. No. 8 has Sheringham, Smith, and Curtis families. No. 16 has a warehouse only.		Checking who was in Union Street in 1861 (a few months after the wedding), there are no signs of any Gordons or Healeys. The houses there appear to be split into 2 or 3 dwellings per address, typically with just a husband and a wife.. No. 8 has Sheringham, Smith, and Curtis families. No. 16 has a warehouse only.

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2020-02-26T08:44:40Z

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	There don't appear to be any other Gordons (or Gordings) that match this family, so there don't appear to be two families with the same names.		There don't appear to be any other Gordons (or Gordings) that match this family, so there don't appear to be two families with the same names.

	Plough Alley was badly hit by flooding, and in 1869 was flooded to a depth of 7 feet. It was also notorious for outbreaks of smallpox.		Plough Alley was badly hit by flooding, and in 1869 was flooded to a depth of 7 feet. It was also notorious for outbreaks of smallpox, being commented upon in the newspapers in 1862.

			10 & 11 Plough Alley were being advertised for sale in August 1867 (let at £30 - I assume the total rents for all the families there).

	== Death ==		== Death ==

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2020-02-26T08:42:02Z

Second Marriage

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	There don't appear to be any other Gordons (or Gordings) that match this family, so there don't appear to be two families with the same names.		There don't appear to be any other Gordons (or Gordings) that match this family, so there don't appear to be two families with the same names.

			Plough Alley was badly hit by flooding, and in 1869 was flooded to a depth of 7 feet. It was also notorious for outbreaks of smallpox.

	== Death ==		== Death ==

Hfrancis at 22:53, 24 February 2020

2020-02-24T22:53:56Z

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	Later there is a Joseph Gordon married to a Catherine. Again, no marriage recorded, and no death of Mary...		Later there is a Joseph Gordon married to a Catherine. Again, no marriage recorded, and no death of Mary...

			His marriage certificate and the 1861 census put his birth year around 1814-1815.

	~~He was~~ born in around 1809 in Wapping, Middlesex. He was (maybe) a mariner and labourer.		Whereas the 1851 census puts him born in around 1809 in Wapping, Middlesex. He was (maybe) a mariner and labourer.

	He subsequently married Mary Healey in the last quarter of 1860. She was born in around 1828 in Cork Ireland.		He subsequently married Mary Healey in the last quarter of 1860. She was born in around 1828 in Cork Ireland.

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2020-02-24T14:19:38Z

Other References

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	* 1850 - Joseph Charles Gordon born to Joseph Gordon and Elizabeth Ann 6 Cross Keys Mews St Marylebone, Middlesex.		* 1850 - Joseph Charles Gordon born to Joseph Gordon and Elizabeth Ann 6 Cross Keys Mews St Marylebone, Middlesex.
	* 1857 Joseph William Gordon born to Joseph William Gordon and Susannah in 2 Cumberland, Hackney Road, Shoreditch.		* 1857 Joseph William Gordon born to Joseph William Gordon and Susannah in 2 Cumberland, Hackney Road, Shoreditch.
	* 1859 Matilda Alice Gordon born to Joseph Gordon and Matilda Ann, 2 Lower Green Alley. St George in the east.		* 1859 Matilda Alice Gordon born to Joseph Gordon (Waterman) and Matilda Ann, 2 Lower Green Alley. St George in the east.
	* 1861 John Gordon born to Joseph Gordon (blacksmith) and Matilda Ann, 4 Churches Gardens. St George in the east.		* 1861 John Gordon born to Joseph Gordon (blacksmith) and Matilda Ann, 4 Churches Gardens. St George in the east.
	* 1863 Mary Ann Gordon born to Joseph Gordon (blacksmith) and Matilda Ann, 4 Churches Gardens. St George in the east.		* 1863 Mary Ann Gordon born to Joseph Gordon (blacksmith) and Matilda Ann, 4 Churches Gardens. St George in the east.

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2020-02-24T12:10:26Z

Other References

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	One Mary Gordon, of the same age as his daughter (18), married Percival Laidler in Chester-Le-Street, Durham in 1867		One Mary Gordon, of the same age as his daughter (18), married Percival Laidler in Chester-Le-Street, Durham in 1867

			* Baptism of Caroline Wender (parents James and Susannah) on the 30th January 1859, born 1 Jan 1859 - address 11 Plough Alley.

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2020-02-23T21:59:04Z

Children

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	* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East), Hannah Healy baptised 7th Feb 1858, St. George in the East.		* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East), Hannah Healy baptised 7th Feb 1858, St. George in the East.

	By the time Hannah was born, it appears that the church had realised that Joseph and Mary were not married, so when she was baptised on the 7th February 1858 at St. George's in the East (Wapping/Tower Hamlets) then they wrote Joseph's name, but then crossed it out, and the surname Healy was recorded. Strangely though the mother's name was also written as Hannah. Why I think this is [[Mary Healey]] is because the address is given as 8 Plough Alley. But maybe this wasn't Mary, maybe she had a sister called Hannah...		By the time Hannah was born, it appears that the church had realised that Joseph and Mary were not married, so when she was baptised on the 7th February 1858 at St. George's in the East (Wapping/Tower Hamlets) then they wrote Joseph's name, but then crossed it out, and the surname Healy was recorded. Strangely though the mother's name was also written as Hannah. Why I think this is [[Mary Healey]] is because the address is given as 8 Plough Alley. But maybe this wasn't Mary, maybe she had a sister called Hannah... I can find no other candidates for Hannah's baptism from Dec 1857 to August 1858 at St George's.

	At the same time (well June 1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.		At the same time (well June 1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.

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2020-02-23T18:39:05Z

Children

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	* Mary Gordon, born around 1849 in St George (in the East).		* Mary Gordon, born around 1849 in St George (in the East).
	* Samuel Gordon, born on the 17th April 1855 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (In the East), Middlesex.		* Samuel Gordon, born on the 17th April 1855 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (In the East), Middlesex.
	* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East)		* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East), Hannah Healy baptised 7th Feb 1858, St. George in the East.

			By the time Hannah was born, it appears that the church had realised that Joseph and Mary were not married, so when she was baptised on the 7th February 1858 at St. George's in the East (Wapping/Tower Hamlets) then they wrote Joseph's name, but then crossed it out, and the surname Healy was recorded. Strangely though the mother's name was also written as Hannah. Why I think this is [[Mary Healey]] is because the address is given as 8 Plough Alley. But maybe this wasn't Mary, maybe she had a sister called Hannah...

	At the same time (well June 1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.		At the same time (well June 1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.

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	Hannah Gordan, St Geo East, 1c 466		* BMD:B: Hannah Gordan, Q1 1858, St Geo East, 1c 466

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2020-02-23T17:57:28Z

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	* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East)		* Hannah Gordon, born around 1858 at 11 Plough Alley, St George (in the East)

	At the same time (1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.		At the same time (well June 1855) as Joseph was recorded in the church registers as living at 11 Plough Alley, so was a couple called James and Susannah Wenden (he was a shoemaker). From the census it appears the houses in Plough Alley were split into multiple dwellings). The Wenden's were already living at number 11 in 1851, when the Gordons were recorded as being at number 4. Any by searching for the Wendens in the 1861 census we find the Gordons, who have been mis-recorded as Gordings.