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| style="color:white; background:darkred; width:1px height:30px" | Born: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;"></span>]]
| style="color:white; background:darkred; width:1px height:30px" | Born: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;">1819</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkred; " | Died: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;"></span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkred; " | Died: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;"></span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkred; " | Married: [[John Smith|<span style="color:white;">John Smith</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkgreen; " | Married: [[John Smith|<span style="color:white;">John Smith</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkred; " | Mother: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;"></span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkgreen; " | Mother: [[Phoebe Gay|<span style="color:white;">Phebe Gay</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkred; " | Father: [[Not Created|<span style="color:white;"></span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkgreen; " | Father: [[Isaac Bartram|<span style="color:white;">Isaac Bartram</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkgreen; " | Descendant: [[Phoebe Smith|<span style="color:white;">Phoebe Smith</span>]]
| style="color: white; background:darkgreen; " | Descendant: [[Phoebe Smith|<span style="color:white;">Phoebe Smith</span>]]
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Elizabeth Bartram (sometimes Bertram) was born in around 1819 in Wymondham, Norfolk. She married a [[John Smith]] and they had a daughter called [[Phoebe Smith]].


== Birth ==
== Birth ==


What do we know for sure:


Elizabeth Bertram was born in around 1819 in Wymondham, Norfolk.
She was baptised on the 5th September 1819 at Wymondham in Norfolk. Her father was [[Isaac Bartram]] and her mother was [[Phoebe Gay]]. Their abode was Bridewell Street, Wymondham and her father was a Husbandman.
 
== Marriage ==
 
Elizabeth married [[John Smith]] probably between 1835 (when she was 16) and 1841 (the birth of the first child we know of).  


What do we surmise:


She was baptised on the 5th September 1819 at Wymondham in Norfolk. Her father was [[Isaac Bartram]] and her mother was [[Phoebe Gay]]. Their abode was Bridewell Street, Wymondham and her father was a Husbandman.
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|  width="194%" height="18" colspan="9" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <b><font size="2"><i>1838</i>. Marriage solemnized at <i>the Parish Church</i> in the Parish of <i>St John Sepulchre</i> in the County of <i>Norfolk</i></font></b>
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|  width="7%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">When Married.</font>
|  width="23%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" colspan="2" | <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Name and Surname.</font>
|  width="5%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Age</font>
|  width="9%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Condition.</font>
|  width="14%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Rank or Profession</font>
|  width="14%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Residence at the Time of Marriage</font>
|  width="14%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Father's Name and Surname</font>
|  width="83%" bgcolor="#008000" height="18" | <font size="2" color="#FFFFFF">Rank or Profession of Father</font>
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|  width="7%" height="39" rowspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <p align="center"><font size="2">13th November 1838</font>
|  width="23%" height="21" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">[[John Smith]]</font>
|  width="5%" height="39" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Minor</font>
|  width="9%" height="21" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Bachelor</font>
|  width="14%" height="21" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Comber</font>
|  width="14%" height="21" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Ber Street</font>
|  width="14%" height="21" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">[[Robert Smith]]</font>
|  width="83%" height="21" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Shoemaker</font>
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|  width="23%" height="18" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">[[Elizabeth Bartram|Elizabeth Barham]]</font>
|  width="5%" height="39" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Minor</font>
|  width="9%" height="18" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Spinster</font>
|  width="14%" height="18" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" |
|  width="14%" height="18" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Ber Street</font>
|  width="14%" height="18" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">[[Isaac Bartram|Isaac Barham]]</font>
|  width="83%" height="18" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Husbandman</font>
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|  width="194%" height="16" colspan="9" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me Peter Hansell, perpetual curate </font>
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|  width="19%" height="36" rowspan="2" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">This marriage was solemnized between us</font>
|  width="25%" height="18" colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">[[John Smith]]'s X mark</font>
|  width="28%" height="36" colspan="2" rowspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">In the Presence of us</font>
|  width="122%" height="18" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Edward Smith's X mark</font>
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|  width="25%" height="18" colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Elizabeth Barham's X mark</font>
|  width="122%" height="18" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#BBC5B1" | <font size="2">Susannah Smith's</font>
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== Marriage ==
There is one potential record of such a marriage BMD:M: Elizabeth Bartram, Dec 1838, Norwich, 13, 635 - certificate on order. This page also has a John Smith on it. However, note that the register only started in 1837, so it is possible that if this is not the correct entry then the marriage predates registration.


Elizabeth married [[John Smith]].
On the night of 6 June [[Smith Census#1841_MillSt|1841]] she was living with her husband in Mill Street in the Hamlet of Lakenham, in Norwich. Interestingly, next door was the family of her parents [[Isaac Bartram|Isaac]] and [[Phoebe Gay|Phebe]] Bartram.


== Children ==
== Children ==
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* George W/N Smith, born ~1849, Norwich.
* George W/N Smith, born ~1849, Norwich.
* Hannah Smith, born ~1850, Norwich.
* Hannah Smith, born ~1850, Norwich.
* Cabel Smith, born ~1872, Norwich.


On the night of 30 March [[Smith Census#1851_MillSt|1851]] Elizabeth was living with her husband [[John Smith]] and five children including daughter [[Phoebe Smith]] at Mill Street, Lakenham, Norwich.
On the night of 30 March [[Smith Census#1851_MillSt|1851]] Elizabeth was living with her husband [[John Smith]] and five children including daughter [[Phoebe Smith]] at Mill Street, Lakenham, Norwich.
On the night of 7 April [[Smith Census#1861_HallRd|1861]] Elizabeth was living with her husband and family at Hall Road, Road Side (Pendell/Pendise Row), Lakenham
== Death ==
The death of an Elizabeth Smith (age 62) was registered in Q1, 1884 in Norwich, vol 4b, page 80.


== Other Records ==
== Other Records ==


Annoyingly there is another possible set of parents for Elizabeth, as there was an Elizabeth Bartram who was christened on the 25th April 1820 in Wymondham whose parents were John Bartram and Ann Payne/Pain. I need to double check which was correct - but currently I prefer the Phoebe connection!
Annoyingly there is another possible set of parents for Elizabeth, as there was an Elizabeth Bartram who was christened on the 25th April 1820 in Wymondham whose parents were John Bartram and Ann Payne/Pain. However, luckily, in the [[Smith Census#1841_MillSt|1841]] census there is an [[Isaac Bartram]] and [[Phoebe Gay|Phebe Bartram]] living next door to Elizabeth Smith, so this makes it highly probable that Isaac and Phebe are Elizabeth parents.

Latest revision as of 23:47, 26 January 2016

Born: 1819 Died: Married: John Smith Mother: Phebe Gay Father: Isaac Bartram Descendant: Phoebe Smith
Census 1841 1851 1861 1871 1881 1891 1901 1911 1921

Elizabeth Bartram (sometimes Bertram) was born in around 1819 in Wymondham, Norfolk. She married a John Smith and they had a daughter called Phoebe Smith.

Birth

She was baptised on the 5th September 1819 at Wymondham in Norfolk. Her father was Isaac Bartram and her mother was Phoebe Gay. Their abode was Bridewell Street, Wymondham and her father was a Husbandman.

Marriage

Elizabeth married John Smith probably between 1835 (when she was 16) and 1841 (the birth of the first child we know of).


1838. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St John Sepulchre in the County of Norfolk
When Married. Name and Surname. Age Condition. Rank or Profession Residence at the Time of Marriage Father's Name and Surname Rank or Profession of Father

13th November 1838

John Smith Minor Bachelor Comber Ber Street Robert Smith Shoemaker
Elizabeth Barham Minor Spinster Ber Street Isaac Barham Husbandman
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me Peter Hansell, perpetual curate
This marriage was solemnized between us John Smith's X mark In the Presence of us Edward Smith's X mark
Elizabeth Barham's X mark Susannah Smith's

There is one potential record of such a marriage BMD:M: Elizabeth Bartram, Dec 1838, Norwich, 13, 635 - certificate on order. This page also has a John Smith on it. However, note that the register only started in 1837, so it is possible that if this is not the correct entry then the marriage predates registration.

On the night of 6 June 1841 she was living with her husband in Mill Street in the Hamlet of Lakenham, in Norwich. Interestingly, next door was the family of her parents Isaac and Phebe Bartram.

Children

John and Elizabeth had the following children:

  • Robert Smith, born ~1841, Norwich.
  • Sarah Ann Smith, born ~1843, Norwich.
  • Phoebe Smith, born 17 April 1845, Norwich.
  • George W/N Smith, born ~1849, Norwich.
  • Hannah Smith, born ~1850, Norwich.
  • Cabel Smith, born ~1872, Norwich.

On the night of 30 March 1851 Elizabeth was living with her husband John Smith and five children including daughter Phoebe Smith at Mill Street, Lakenham, Norwich.

On the night of 7 April 1861 Elizabeth was living with her husband and family at Hall Road, Road Side (Pendell/Pendise Row), Lakenham

Death

The death of an Elizabeth Smith (age 62) was registered in Q1, 1884 in Norwich, vol 4b, page 80.

Other Records

Annoyingly there is another possible set of parents for Elizabeth, as there was an Elizabeth Bartram who was christened on the 25th April 1820 in Wymondham whose parents were John Bartram and Ann Payne/Pain. However, luckily, in the 1841 census there is an Isaac Bartram and Phebe Bartram living next door to Elizabeth Smith, so this makes it highly probable that Isaac and Phebe are Elizabeth parents.